Monday, October 25, 2010

To Hell with Medical Science, Let's Go with Religious Superstition

People often ask why I am so against religion.  They are fine with my being an atheist, but they wonder why I actively dislike the faiths that so many have.  I have a few reasons.  I think that people should be able to think for themselves, and not follow the arbritary rules that religion hands down.  I don't like that many religious folk are intent on pushing their religion and morals onto the rest of us.  I am angry that religious leaders often get away with raping children.

Religion is also responsible for the retarding of scientific progress. For close to a thousand years the Catholic church halted the advance of scientific knowledge. Today, we are still witnessing battles in our schools over the teaching of evolution, a theory that is as true as the theory of gravity. Stem cell research, which holds incredible promise, has been slowed. Many evangelicals still believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old. Science is a major cause of humanity's advancement over the last 300 years, and religion is still getting in the way.

Religious superstition runs rampant in some societies, with often tragic results.  When people turn to a god, or any other superstition to heal those who need doctors, people suffer.  And often needlessly.  Take this story reported in
A 29-year-old Saudi in Makkah has been living in chains for over six years because he is, according to his father, possessed by a female jinn who refuses to leave him.

“Medical doctors and religious sheikhs have failed to diagnose my son. When he has fits, he has convulsions and his entire body twists and his eyes become completely white. Then the voice of a woman can be heard coming from him,” said the father of the young man identified only as Turki.

“When my son first began suffering from this problem I took him to sheikhs to recite Qur’an on him but most of them became scared when they heard the female voice telling them that she was a royal jinn and that no one can exorcise her unless Turki dies,” he said.

The father said a sheikh advised him to tie his son’s arms and legs with iron chains and to read Qur’an on him. “We did this. My son became quiet but is totally unaware of what is happening around him. He does not talk and is now unable to harm anyone,” he added.
This poor man needs hospitalization, not religious fakery.  But, the sheiks gave their treatment plan, and now this poor man has been chained for six years.  Some of the comments are astounding in their faith in woo and allah.
It is very unbeliveable something like this can happen to Turki. As they live in makkah, my advice is to take him to the Kaaba and make him drink zamzam water. There is no better place to cure yourself in front of the Kaaba. At least you are lucky you live next to the Kaaba. I hope you follow my advice and then you can see that how Allah helps him. Just trust in Allah.
My advice to the family of this man to bring some sheikh from India or Pakistan, who are mastered in removing of theses kind of jinns. the family should contact local Darul Ulum of these countries. They will advice the family and will surely assist you in this matter.
It may be real jinn or shaitan inside him or a metal disorder.Brain functions all parts i have seen people with slight metal disorder and there mouth is turned due to that or some other changes.If it is jinn or rooh than definetly there is any story behind that.may be someones body is dumped inside the house or turkis ancestors have done some thing very bad to any girl and dumped her brutally.without any information to her relatives... ALLAH KNOWS WE DON'T KNOW...

Scary what superstition can do to one's reason.


  1. I think religion and atheism are both fine just as long as you don't try to force it on to other people and you can keep church and state separate. Unfortionantly most religions teach that you ned to convert the nonbelievers. Except Buddhism, Buddhism does not preach converting others nor does it think that any religion including itself is better than any other. Although to be fair Buddhism is more of a life philosophy than a religion.

  2. I would say that Buddhism is more of a religion. With belief in reincarnation and prayer to one's ancestors, it has its own superstitions. That said, it is very accepting of other religions. Most Japanese are both Shinto and Buddhist, which I find fascinating.

  3. Only certain forms of Buddhism have a divine aspect to them. Zen Buddhism is purely secular, for example, as it recognizes Buddha as a man, not a deity.

    I am torn, because I know people of faith who use that faith to sustain them in times of hardship, and as an outlet for celebrating times of joy. They don't go all crazy about it.

    To steal from Taoism, there are three things we should aspire to: Humility, Moderation, and Compassion. It seems to me that if any person, theist or atheist, strives to be a person of compassion and humility, but can moderate him or herself appropriately, then much of the craziness simply goes away.

    On the other hand, I know very extreme people of faith as well as very extreme atheists. In my opinion, *both* of those extremes have forgotten Moderation.

  4. Superstition annihilates reasoning. That poor man has epilepsy, which the people around him would be able to detect if they were up to date with scientific/medical advances.

    Also, it is important to make that distinction between different types of Buddhism. Some Buddhists (of the Zen variety) are even atheists.

    And, like Andrew, I sometimes find myself torn as well, because I knew good people who are very religious but not crazy about it. In the book The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins has a good part on this, but I can't remember exactly what it says......

  5. While belief in a deity is common among religions, it is not necessary. Atheistic religions do exist, such as the Raelians and most types of Buddhism. Some may embrace the philosophy of Buddhism and not consider it a faith or religion to themselves, but over half a billion people practice as a religion.

    And, yes, there are many who are religious and not crazy about it, but a 2005 Gallup poll showed that 65.5% of Americans think that creationism was definitely or probably true. Religion, especially the fundamentalists, needs to get out of the way of scientific progress.

  6. Science will progress just fine, with or without the support of religion. Look at the current rate of scientific and technological advances, and it's hard to argue that either is suffering any repression.

    Although we can implicate religion in repressing various theories of the solar system, the largest repression occurred because of human nature... when it took us over 1,000 years to question the authority of Aristotle's concepts of motion.

    Many of the major discoveries of the 20th century have been "disputed" by religious authorities, yet none of them have been repressed successfully. Quantum mechanics is perhaps science's most complete success story, yet it contradicts every religions concept of "fate" or "divine will." Despite that, quantum is now a fundamental part of the budding physicists curriculum.

    In the end, who cares if someone believes we were created versus having evolved? If you're a decent person and contribute to your society and culture, and you aren't an asshole about it, then you should be left alone with your beliefs. The only people who really need to understand evolution are biologists...

    I realize that may sound contradictory, coming from a physicist and an educator, but one of the lessons I learned as a teacher was that all you can do is present the evidence. Each student must then make up their own mind... one hopes they'll decide on the side of the actual evidence, but I see no reason to take it personally if they don't.

  7. Andrew, that's all fine, but tell it to the poor guy who's been chained to a bed for the last six years.